The Birth Certificate Fraud & Unexplained Death of Loretta Fuddy

by Butterdezillion

S. Fuddy’s role in Obama’s birth certificate controversy was much more critical than simply looking at a piece of paper and saying what she saw. I’ve written on this extensively here, and you can read about it in detail at the “Putting it All Together Series”, Part One,  Part Two,  Part Three,  Part Four,  and Part Five . I’ve held off on posting Part Six, to protect potential witnesses.

To summarize, when Neil Abercrombie was elected governor of HI in 2010 he pledged to produce Obama’s long-form BC because it was looking like Arizona would pass a law requiring a long-form BC for placement on the 2012 presidential ballot. When a Star-Advertiser columnist asked how it was going he said there was something “actually written down” – a very curious answer, so Abercrombie’s friend, Mike Evans, called him up and asked him what the deal was.

Abercrombie told him – and he reported on his “Hollywood News” blurbs to multiple radio stations – that his investigation was showing there was no BC for Obama, nothing to prove he was born in HI. Mike Evans later retracted that claim by saying he never claimed to have spoken to Abercrombie, but the transcripts show otherwise.

The day after that story broke big, Abercrombie forced his own choice for HDOH Director, Neal Palafox, to resign – but tried to hide it. When Palafox was asked why he resigned, he said he had no idea. HDOH communications director Janice Okubo jumped in to say it was for personal reasons but he wouldn’t play along with that, even amid rumors from the HI AG’s office that Palafox had a mighty fine medical practice and there “might” be a Medicaid fraud investigation in the works…

[NOTE: one can draw only one conclusion from his firing and that is that they learned more about his political background via inside government sources, like the IRS and NSA and found he was a Republican and therefore would not be approachable with the scheme to access the microfilm image of Ann Dunham’s hand-written birth certificate application affidavit, or the original itself, in order to produce a facsimile of an original hospital birth certificate.

But sweet, little, lonely, single Loretta Fuddy, die-hard Democrat and loyal party sycophant, along with being a devoted Obama acolyte, could easily be swayed by the famous Obama charm, and so she was, -either via a White House apparatchik or via Obama himself during a visit to the White House, which probably happened in order to build a one-on-one loyalty to him.]

So Fuddy replaced Palafox. The long and the short of it is that it had already been revealed that Obama’s BC# is anomalous. Okubo had reported that BC#’s were assigned by the state registrar’s office on the day that office received them. Obama’s BC was received 3 days before the Nordyke twins’ BC’s but received a BC# 3 later than theirs. By February, a World Net Daily source within the HDOH said a fake long-form was ready but the problem was the BC#. They had to use the BC# that Obama had put on his forged COLB but somehow they had to make it seem like their BC#’s are issued randomly.

And that is  where Fuddy is the CRITICAL piece – willing to do what Palafox apparently wasn’t willing to do – because sometime between March 15th, when at least one long-form was issued (and a year or so earlier a colleague of mine had videotaped a woman at the HDOH office ordering her long-form and being told she’d get it in 2 weeks, no special procedures necessary…) and the end of March, Fuddy changed the request form for BC’s so there was no way to request a long-form (standard) BC.

The narrative then began that this had been a years-long policy – even claimed by Bob Bauer at the White House press conference that it had been the policy since the 1980′s, when we have proof that it was instituted LESS THAN A MONTH before Obama’s long-form was made public – instituted by Loretta Fuddy after Neal Palafox had been canned for no reason.

But ultimately the way it’s claimed that they can have this policy without violating UIPA and the Vital Records Statute is by saying that statute ALLOWS the health director to determine what the means for copying certified copies shall be.  And Fuddy says nobody can see anything except an easily-manipulable computer ABSTRACT.  It all falls on her, because if she had obeyed the law, people could request their long-form birth certificates and see how the numbering really was done in 1963. Instead, her office put out BC#’s that made no sense by ANY numbering method – first on Stig Waidelich’s short-form BC which was shown on CNN 2 days before Obama’s long-form was released.

Then, when it was noted how easily the BC# could be faked on a computer printout, BC#’s were manipulated on “long-form” documents – first Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate, which has about 5 BLATANT anomalies just on the first line, and then on a long-form BC that they faked as an earlier certified copy (but they botched up Onaka’s signature and the BC# stamp which had 2 digits overlapping – an impossibility with a Bates stamp).

Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio has said all along that the way to know what happened is by looking at the paper documents, the computer transaction logs, and especially the MICROFILM ROLLS FROM1961. That was exactly what Fuddy wanted to keep them from having to forge, because it would be very difficult to forge all those records – because a person could look in other months to determine the numbering method, etc. If those records are subpoenaed in a federal investigation, it is all over for Fuddy and all over for Obama.

With Sheriff Joe closing in on what may be federal crimes that demand Congressional investigation and a special prosecutor, there seemed to be no “out” for either Fuddy or Obama…

And THAT was when this crash happened.

A. The Cessna 208B has a very, very reliable engine. The number of commerical-aircraft NTSB investigations  which showed engine failure – in the nearly 30 years since the plane was first produced in the mid19-80′s –  was 2. Both related to flight and/or fuel conditions that were not present in this engine failure OR the engine failure off Maui on Oct 22, 2013. IOW, within 50 days and less than 25 miles of each other, there were 2 catastrophic engine failures on commercial planes using an engine that had only experienced 2 in commercial planes in a 30-year history. The first engine failure occurred 3 days after Doug Vogt named Loretta Fuddy as a defendant in a lawsuit, and right around the same time as it was publicly noted that AZ  Sheriff Joe Arpaio would be coming forward with “universe-shattering” information regarding criminal investigations spawned from the original investigation which concluded that the long-form birth certificate Obama presented at a White House press conference is confirmed to be a forgery.

O. Maui County (including Maui, Molokai, and Lanai) has no coroner. The police chief acts as coroner. The day after the crash the information officer for the Maui County Police Dept, Lt. William Juan, reported to the press that Loretta Fuddy had been retrieved from the wreckage. This is not somebody uninvolved. This is the official spokesperson for the coroner, who is supposed to have the reports from the original witnesses.

P. The NTSB and Police Department took turns telling the media that the autopsy was the other’s responsibility. Nobody wanted to claim responsibility for it.

Q. While the Maui County Police Chief was acting as coroner, trying to come up with a Cause of Death (COD) for Fuddy, Michelle Obama suddenly decided she wanted to stay in Maui with Oprah, rather than go back to DC with her family. Joining the happy party were Valerie Jarrett (the woman who said all who opposed them would pay) and the wife of Eric Holder (the guy who never misses a chance for a political prosecution). The locals complained because the area was so congested because the Maui County Police Dept constantly had people around there, doing security for these gals. Michelle Obama left it a mystery as to when she would leave, but the day after the Police Chief ruled that the COD was “cardiac arrhythmia”, it was made known that she would be going back to DC within a couple days.

R. “Cardiac arrhythmia” cannot be positively diagnosed after death, and according to Fuddy’s brother, Louis, there was no medical history to substantiate such a diagnosis. What that COD tells us is that they couldn’t find any other reason for her death. She did not have a heart attack, or they would have said that the heart attack enzymes were present. “Cardiac arrhythmia” is an admission that they have no idea why she died because there’s no specific evidence to support any cause of death.

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F. The USCG has a 5-minute stand-by time to be in the air when an incident is reported, and it’s a 35-minute flight from Honolulu in those helicopters. They should have been there within 45 minutes, not 80.

E.. USCG rescue swimmer PJ Ornott said that when he found Fuddy unresponsive, protocols meant he had to pass over her to go to the others. In reality, the USCG rescue protocol was just within the last year or so changed to allow ANY injured person to be passed over, and the protocol stipulates that it is only allowable when the victim has head, heart, lungs, or liver separated from the rest of their body, shows rigor mortis (stiffening that sets in 2 hours after death at room temperature), or has lividity (pooling of blood in the lowest part of the body, which also sets in at 2 hours after death at room temperature). I have been trying to get the USCG records, but my request, which is over 2 months old now, has been bounced from DC to HI and back, with nobody returning my calls or emails.

J. Josh Lang, the guy who coincidentally happened to be flying in the area at that precise time, is not your average joe. He graduated from Albert Einstein High School in an area that is rumored to be a bedroom community to DC for NSA families. And his facebook friends show connections that are not “average” – including being friended by

1. Erin Billings, who works for the Podesta Group and headed up its coverage of Obama’s 2008 campaign. Look up a bio of Erin Billings and John Podesta and see how connected this is to Obama.

2. Keith Langley, who has had IT contracts with DHS, Veterans Affairs, and investigations of major banks in bankruptcy.

3. Philippe Furstenburg, who heads up the security details for the Department of State.

4. Tim Conner, who is a contractor for the State Department.

5. Sean Conner, whose girlfriend works at the White House so that she and Sean had their photo taken with Barack and Michelle at the 2013 White House Christmas Party.

There are others too, but you may get the point from just these: Lang is closely connected to the Obama political/bureaucratic machine. For him to just happen to be there at the time is a MIGHTY coincidence indeed. He also does aerial videotaping for movies (giving him access to stunt pilots, etc)  and contract flying for the US government.

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About arnash
“When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect.” - Mark Twain - Politicians and diapers - change 'em often, for the same reason. "Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." Ronald Reagan "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley, Jr. “The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell The people are the masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it. Abraham Lincoln “Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell “Satan will use a lake of truth to hide a pint of poison”.

32 Responses to The Birth Certificate Fraud & Unexplained Death of Loretta Fuddy

  1. smrstrauss says:

    Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama’s birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin’s), and all three of the others are still alive. And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate—-when there isn’t even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

  2. arnash says:

    Fuddy was the one who specifically lied in her official capacity and did so with her signature. The others evaded and avoided making any specific lies in their official capacity and never signed anything. They instead used ambiguous weasel words to deceive. But none of them gave permission as director for someone to be allowed access to Ann Dunham’s 50 year old birth certificate application affidavit.

    Any conspiracy to counterfeit his birth certificates would naturally have included doing the same with the public Index Data file. The sworn affidavit of Ann Dunham resulted in her child’s info being added to the list of names taken from hospital birth certificates and sent to the newspapers.
    “The police in Hawaii say that she died from an irregular heartbeat,” but in fact they are at the center of the cover-up, so their non-medical, impossible “diagnosis” of a corpse is 100% fraudulent on its face since an irregular heart beat cannot be detected in a body that has no heart beat. It’s the same as “detecting” an irregular breathing pattern in a corpse. And even worse was the police psychoanalysis of her corpse. They did a cadaver mind-meld going back in time to ascertain her state of mind while floating peacefully in the ocean and then the dutifully reported the results. But those results were no where to be found a the autopsy report, nor anything like them ever found in any autopsy ever written.

    “All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed…” No one can nor should connect Obama to her murder. He is not the one who put himself on the fact track to the presidency. There are very powerful and amoral minds behind him (George Soros, who joyfully participate in the robbery and eventual extermination of his own fellow Jews as a young Nazi assistant in WWII. He felt like a god and loved that sense of power.) As for the nature of her murder, it was a very professional hit, but not quite professional enough to avoid detection by the medical examiner and modern forensic chemical detectors. That is why the report results will never see the light of day if the powers-that-be are able to prevent it. All they need is just one more complicit or blackmailed judge to block release of anything beyond a fully black-out report. The judge, like those before him or her, will be given a choice; the bullet or the bribe.

  3. cletus says:

    That was one awesome bit of investigative reporting in that article. wow

  4. smrstrauss says:

    All the officials have made statements in writing and some of them in LEGAL filings, and they are definitive statements.

    [note: None of the so-called statements meet the burden of legal verification except that of Fuddy, who seemingly signed or scribbled her signature on her response to Obama’s attorney requesting copies, which was merely a part of a public pretense to explain away why he had not requested a long-form sooner, when by law they were still being issued left and right, as shown by one routinely obtained just the month before. It nevertheless is constitutionally valid but is not actual legal verification]
    see examples: letter to Ken Bennett with rubber-stamped “signature” & verification claim.”No Seal -rubber stamp signature facsimile
    and With Seal in Legal document

    The officials of BOTH parties stated that they had sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and they then stated that they confirmed that ALL the facts—repeat ALL of them—on the long form birth certificate that the White House put online are EXACTLY the same—repeat EXACTLY, that the facts MATCH—the facts on the copy that they sent to Obama.

    [YOU ARE A LIAR. They state merely that “the information” matches, -NOT that ALL the information matches, but it doesn’t even matter since the image file in the Hawaiian data-base is a digital fake inserted by Fuddy after it was produced.
    As for “officials of BOTH parties” you concoct another lie since the RINO governor was not a member of a republican group that claimed anything. And does she look like a hard-noses investigator seeking to uncover a hidden truth that has been kept from her by her socialist Health Director? “Governor Linda and Hawaii’s favorite son, all chummy, and lovey-dovey” />

    And among those facts that match is the location of birth, Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And, BTW, Kapiolani Hospital did exist at the time and its name was exactly the same as on Obama’s birth certificate—–which we know for certain because the birth certificates of the Nordyke twins are on WND’s web site, and the name on their birth certificates is the same as that on Obama’s—-Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital.

    So the officials have confirmed IN WRITING, and I can post links to those confirmations, but apparently this site does not accept links. [IT HAS A QUIRK THAT REQUIRES THAT YOU FIRST POST A COMMENT, AND ONLY THEN WILL EDIT OPTIONS APPEAR FOR ALTERING HYPER-TEXT, INCLUDING ADDING LINKS.]

    Yes, she died in the plane crash. She was the only person on the plane over 65 [ANOTHER WHOOPER!! AT LEAST TWO OTHER PASSENGERS WERE OVER 70 YEARS OF AGE] and her photos show that she was hardly in good shape. So the police in Hawaii are right that she was not murdered. [THE POLICE ARE NOT MEDICAL EXAMINERS AND HAVE NO BUSINESS BUT FRAUD FOR PRETENDING TO BE A SOURCE OF MEDICAL INFORMATION THAT IS NOT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IN A PUBLIC AUTOPSY REPORT THAT HAS BEEN TOTALLY BLACK-OUT, ILLEGALLY.]

    But, IF she were murdered—which isn’t likely (!!!)—-then… the change of Fuddy announcing that Obama was not born in Hawaii is the same as her announcing that she now believes that 2+3 equals seven.

  5. smrstrauss says:

    Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

    Nash replies: Let’s see, a politician accepts a vague non-legitimate unsigned document from an unknown source in another state and treats it like the solution to his dilemma and thus is able to avoid social and political ostracization by not appearing to be one of those conspiracy kooks. Brilliant. Just what he needed to get himself off the hook, even though the “verification” was not worth the paper it was printed on.
    I will delete links to all documents that are unsigned.

  6. smrstrausss says:

    Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

    And, as noted, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii—which was called “the Health Bureau” in 1961—could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.
    Are you a robot? Are no incapable of reading? Is your brain incapable of remembering what you’ve read? Why can’t you remember that I’ve already stated that the information in the sworn affidavit hand-written and signed by Ann Dunhams was sufficient basis to include her son’s birth in the birth list sent to the newspapers?. Why do you deceitfully pretend that that was not so? Are you just inherently dishonest?

  7. arnash says:

    FAA Claims Fuddy Crash Records Destroyed
    by butterdezillion

    I did an interview with the Hagmann and Hagmann Report, which can be seen at http://www.frequency.com/video/hagmann-hagmann-15-july-2014/181264656/-/5-1002

    What follows is a summary of one of the major points:

    I submitted a FOIA request for FAA records related to the “Fuddy crash”, including radar, radio, computer records, handwritten notes, emails, and phone calls including inter- and intra-agency phone calls during the 2-8pm HST time period as well as in the follow-up to the water landing of N687MA.

    The FAA responded by sending from the Honolulu Control Facility (HCF) some air traffic audio files, Daily Record of Facility Operation, Mandatory Occurrence Report, and National Traffic Management Log (NTML). They also sent the result of a computer search for NOTAM’s (Notices to Airmen) for the Maui FAA facility.

    The NTML had the identities of 3 “special operations” military aircraft redacted – one of which was scheduled in advance for 3-4pm HST on Dec 11th. The audio files suggest that this operation was in the Molokai/Kalaupapa area and left the area around the same time as the crash (based on the FAA investigator’s calculated time for the crash).

    But beyond that, the FAA said that all the other records which would have been responsive to my request were destroyed. No radar, no computer records/files, no handwritten notes, no emails, no phone calls. There were no other records responsive to my request; whatever might have existed had been destroyed:

    “”The search revealed no ATO records responsive to items 3, 4, 7. 9, 10, 12, and 13 of your request. There are no ATO provisions for recording the frequencies listed in items 12 and 13. In addition, this accident was classified as a “no services” accident, meaning no FAA facility had contact with the aircraft. No transcripts were created and any radar data responsive to item 9 or additional audio re-recordings that may have existed have been destroyed in accordance with FAA Order 7210.3Y, Facility Operation and Administration…”

    A Mandatory Occurrence Report is the report required to be filed (usually by the last FAA facility to have contact with the plane before the accident) when a report and “accident package” and file are mandated because the accident involved a commercial aircraft and/or fatalities or serious injury. If there is a MOR there also has to be an “accident package” – pertinent records (of the very kinds I asked to see) collected (and retained for 5 years) by the reporting facility from all the FAA or FAA-contracted facilities which could have relevant records. HCF filed the MOR because (according to the MOR) HCF’s Operational Supervisor in Charge was in contact with N687MA – although none of the audio files disclosed to me showed that, and the frequency for the contact was not included in the MOR.

    Those records should not have been destroyed. If they truly have been destroyed someone should go to jail for destroying them. If they haven’t been destroyed, somebody should go to jail for lying in an official FOIA response, in order to keep from being forced to disclose those records.

    There’s more, which can be heard on the audio linked above. But for now I want to make sure that people realize the enormity of the FAA’s claim that they destroyed these records. There are a TON of discrepancies in the official records that have been made available to me, including these FAA written and audio files. But we can’t get to the bottom of what really happened because the FAA records which would reveal exactly what happened have been destroyed. according to the official FAA FOIA response.

  8. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “They state merely that “the information” matches, -NOT that ALL the information matches.”

    It clearly says: “Additionally, I verify that the information contained in the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama matches the original record in our files.”

    When information MATCHES, that means that it is exactly the same. There is neither more information on the White House copy nor less information, or they would not match, and the information cannot be different, or it would not match either. In short, the facts are exactly the same.
    [THAT IS A VALID POINT, BUT YOU FAIL TO ACCEPT THAT BOTH ARE REPLICAS OF THE SAME COUNTERFEIT PRODUCED USING ORIGINAL HDOH RECORDS AND ANN’S APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT.]

    The copy that Fuddy made, BTW, was NOT a digital copy. It was a photostat onto security paper of the original in the files, with the current seal and signature attached.

    [THAT IS FALSE, AS YOU’VE ALREADY LEARNED FROM READING “WHY OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE CAN’T BE BELIEVED” https://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/why-obamas-birth-certificate-cant-be-believed/
    NO SIGNATURE, NO SEAL, NO ORIGINAL TRUE COPY, JUST ANOTHER ORDINARY COMPUTER ABSTRACT but one that is counterfeit.]

    BTW, a RAISED seal is not an ink seal or a wax seal. It is an impression onto the paper of a mold. It is the same security paper only it has been compressed by the mold. Since it is the same paper and not a different color, it does not always come up on a scan of the document. That is why some online copies do not show the seal. But, duh, they are there.

    ONAKA SEAL plus text, screen size

    Onaka Seal
    without the DoH seal
    And example of how the RAISED seal can be seen on the back of a document and photographed from the side is:
    [Here’s I’ve substituted my own links:

    http://obamabc.wordpress.com%5D
    See the third photo down from the top. [WORTHLESS SINCE THERE IS NO TEXT VISIBLE SO IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO SHOW WHO THAT SHORT-FORM BELONGS TO.]

  9. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “[THAT IS A VALID POINT, BUT YOU FAIL TO ACCEPT THAT BOTH ARE REPLICAS OF THE SAME COUNTERFEIT PRODUCED USING ORIGINAL HDOH RECORDS AND ANN’S APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT.]”

    The statement was that the BC MATCHES the document in the files. So, for the document in the files to be counterfeit, it would have had to have been forged and then slipped into the Hawaii files.

    And, wait for it, it would have had to have been done back in 2007. Repeat, back in 2007—-which was a year before the election campaign of 2008 when Obama was only a JUNIOR senator from Illinois, and when he was far from the leader among the Democrat candidates, and when there was a REPUBLICAN governor in Hawaii, Linda Lingle.

    Why is that so?

    Because, it was in 2007 that Hawaii sent the SHORT; FORM BC to Obama, and it also says on it that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    Short form BCs work by having a clerk look into the files and read the facts off of the documents in the files and then enter those facts on a computer screen and then print out the short form using a laser printer on security paper. So, for the clerk to know that Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii, THERE HAD TO BE A DOCUMENT IN THE FILES and it had to say on it HONOLULU.

    So, when the officials in Hawaii state that the facts, meaning all of them, MATCH the document in the files, there really has to be a document in the files, and based on the fact that a clerk saw the document back in 2007 (and Fukino and Onaka confirmed the facts on it in 2008), that document says that Obama was born in HONOLULU.

    Yet, you are apparently GULLIBLE enough to believe that BOTH of those highly unlikely things happened and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying and that the microfilmed birth notices for two separate newspapers [THAT WERE HOUSED IN THE SAME BUILDING, ASSOCIATED, AND MERGED INTO ONE NEWSPAPER WITH ONE ARCHIVE] in two separate libraries are forged [NOT NECESSARILY, SINCE THE BIRTH CLAIM FROM ANN’S SWORN AFFIDAVIT WOULD HAVE BEEN SENT WITH THE NAMES OF OTHER BABIES BORN IN HOSPITALS] and that Obama’s birth certificate was forged back in 2007 and slipped into the files in Hawaii in order to deceive the clerk who saw it, read it and created the short-form birth certificate.

    You have to be really GULLIBLE to think that all of that happened.

    [from the WHITE HOUSE, we have this news release about Obama’s birth verification:

    In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate,… , and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet.
    Oooops! That darn White House is still telling that same old story of requesting the birth certificate in (Spring) of 2008! -assumedly just a week or so before its covert “release” that was perpetrated with great caution in fear of a clear flaw being detected that would blow up in the face of who ever claimed credit for it. Well, I’ve found a few new flaws that I’ll share real soon.

  10. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “PLEASE, GENIUS, TELL US WHERE DID THE PAPER GO? IT MAGICALLY VANISHED SO THAT THE SECURITY PAPER PATTERN COULD REPLACE IT? HOW EXACTLY DID THAT MAGIC PAPER DO THAT?]

    Answer: Duh, there were two pieces of paper, the original (which was bound into a book and which was on plain paper), and the copy paper, security paper, which was loaded into the photocopier. The original paper was pressed down on the glass of the photocopier and the button was pressed. That sent the image of the original down to the copy paper, the security paper. They did this operation twice, producing two copies on security paper. Then the original, the book, went back into the files, and the copies had the current seal and signature placed upon them, and then they were given to Obama’s lawyer.

    So TWO official copies of the long form on security paper.

    In Washington, the press was shown both the two official copies, which were passed around in the press room and which had to be returned, and they also made photocopies of the official copies on ordinary white paper, which the press could keep. The AP made an image of the black and white photocopy that was handed out. Savannah Gutherie made a photo, and posted JPG copy, of the official copy and stated that she had felt the seal on it.

    The two official copies of the long form went back from the press room, and the White House made a PDF image of one of them using the Xerox WorkCenter, and posted that image. The two official copies are filed away somewhere in the White House,and if birthers really thought there was something wrong with them THEY COULD ASK TO SEE THEM—-but they never have (I wonder why not??) If, after all, you claim that there are NO official copies, you could ask to see the ones that the White House has claimed, and if you are turned down, you can report that fact. But birthers have not even asked nicely to see the paper copies to show them to real document specialists who specialize in PAPER documents.

    Why do you suppose that they do not ask to see the two official copies of the long form? (Because, duh, a real expert on paper copies would be able to see in a few minutes that they really are on the right security paper, using the right seal, and that the officials in Hawaii are NOT lying.)

    In any case, the paper did not “vanish.” The original copy in its book went back into the files in Hawaii, and the two official copies on security paper went back from the press room to the White House and were filed away.

    Anyway, I have answered your question.

    • arnash says:

      You’ve prompted me to consider the nature of photocopying, and the fact that it ignores everything that is white, thereby allowing all visible elements to be printed on any sort of paper having patterns or no patterns. So it seems my conception of photocopying as being equivalent to photo-superimposing is not realistic since photo-superimposing recognizes everything, including all white areas and reproduces them as white areas, not transparent areas.
      So I must back-track from an inaccurate view of photocopying, but the accuracy or your view of it does not help you to validate Obama’s birth certificate since it was not produced by photocopying an original document. If it were made that way, it would be a “TRUE AND EXACT COPY”, but instead it is purely a digital abstract, and a counterfeit one at that.

      No paper documents are scanned and printed in the digital age. Everything is archived in a permanent digital data-base accessible by authorized (and covert) government agents. Millions of microfilm records on film reels were automatically processed and digitized about two decades ago. The photographic copying by hand of all individual records was done in the microfilm era, and never repeated.
      Today, to print a birth certificate, all that is done is to call up the person’s record from the data-base, and print it, stamp it with the seal, and date and sign it. No paper records are ever used, and that is why Fuddy’s claim was a total lie, but an effective one because everyone is still living in the non-digital past.

      • smrstrauss says:

        Re: “No paper documents are scanned and printed in the digital age.”

        So you DREAM. There are still photocopiers, and you will find that paper documents are photocopied all the time. And governments often retain paper copies as well as digital copies, and in this case Fuddy stated that she had seen the ORIGINAL PAPER COPY, the one that is bound in a book (and BTW, if you look closely at the long form, you can see the image behaves like a copy of a BOOK pressed against a copier. It seems to curve.) And she said that it was photocopied onto SECURITY PAPER, and that the two copies on security paper was given to the lawyer.

        You can DREAM that there was not a book copy, and that Fuddy was lying, but you have no substantiation for your claim at all.

        Re: “Today, to print a birth certificate, all that is done is to call up the person’s record from the data-base, and print it, ”

        Answer: That is not how HAWAII handles either the short form or the long form. The short form is done by a clerk looking at the file and filling in the facts on a computer form and then printing out the result on security paper. The long form was done by photocopying the original onto security paper and affixing the current seal.

      • arnash says:

        You failed to explain why any government dept. involved in issuing public records would not do so from the exact image of the record that is right at their keyboard and fingertips, stored in their data-base for their immediate use. That is how they all do it, and nothing digital so issued that was the result of the digitization of microfilm records can be called a TRUE AND EXACT COPY because they are not. They are abstracts digitally manipulated to eliminate the imagery of the paper they were typed on. If you think that clerks in vital records offices are still locked in the pre-digital age, then you know nothing about how the world works today. Software does most of the work, and paper files are never consulted because they are already in the system. That is one of the proofs that Fuddy lied. No 50 year old paper record was scanned to print because the system data-base would supply the file for printing. That is an advantage in every conceivable way.

  11. smrstrauss says:

    Re: ” [WORTHLESS SINCE THERE IS NO TEXT VISIBLE SO IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO SHOW WHO THAT SHORT-FORM BELONGS TO.]”

    It is good to be suspicious. But the fact is that to photograph that seal, it had to be a photo of the BACK of the BC and from the side—-which makes it hard to show the name as well as the seal.

    So, if you believe that that is not an image of the seal on Obama’s BC, you must believe that FactCheck is lying when it said that that is the image of the back of Obama’s short form. AND you must also believe that Savannah Gutherie was lying when she stated that she had FELT the seal on Obama’s long form. And you must believe the Fuddy was lying when she said that she saw the seal being attached to Obama’s long form. [everything Fuddy said was a lie.] And you must think that the three Hawaii officials were all lying when they stated that they had sent the short form Hawaii BCs to Obama.

    [They never made a claim of having sent it, in fact one actually said just the opposite, stating that one can’t really say what exactly that short-form image even represents (when asked about its authenticity).
    The close-up image of the seal was seen on the Obama short-form kept at his Chicago campaign headquarters, photographed in high resolution from the front side, with text clearly visible on the far side of the paper. You’ve forced me to begin a new expose’ of the short-form, and what I’ve discovered so far is amazing. Here is the link to Part One of “A Definitive Debunking of Obama’s Bunky Birth Certificates”
    https://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/7116/ ]

    • smrstrauss says:

      This is from a while back. I responded to it via editing it but that didn’t automatically also approve it for posting. Now I know the difference.

      Re: “They never made a claim…”

      Are you trying to convince rational people that there really is a tooth fairy?

      Here is the second of the confirmations of the short form birth certificte by the officials in Hawaii:

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

      Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but that BC says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii.
      [ALL THAT EXISTS IS THEIR STATEMENTS, COUCHED IN AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, AND UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS THAT THEY WERE UNAUTHORIZED TO MAKE, BUT MADE ANYWAY IN ORDER TO VALIDATE THEIR HAWAIIAN LORD’S HAWAIIAN BIRTH STORY. BUT HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE TESTIFIED UNDER OATH, OR CONNECTED TO A POLYGRAPH?
      THEIR CLAIMS HAVE NOT BEEN TESTED NOR PROVEN TO BE TRUE.]

      Moreover, imagine what would be involved for the officials in Hawaii to be lying about Obama’s birth certificate. Obama and the officials would have had to have COLLUDED on the statement. That is because, obviously, Obama published his short form before the officials confirmed it, so he would have had to have known when he published it either that it was real (which of course it was) or that the officials would confirm it despite it being false.

      Unless Obama colluded with the officials, he could not have known that they would confirm his birth certificate, so he wouldn’t have published it—for the downside of having been exposed as having forged the BC would be not merely losing the election, but having his future ruined forever.

      The same goes for the officials who confirmed. You claim that they worded their response carefully so as to avoid lying and yet still give the impression that Obama’s birth certificate is correct despite (as you claim) it not being. But that is CRAP.
      [WHAT THAT IS IS ACCURATE, BUT YOU CAN’T HANDLE ACCURATE. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DOH COLLUDED WITH OBAMA OR HIS OPERATIVES TO ALLOW ACCESS TO MATERIALS AVAILABLE NO WHERE ELSE. BUT THEY WERE NOT ALL INVOLVED. IT WAS ON A NEED TO KNOW ONLY BASIS, AND HIS MOTHER’S AFFIDAVIT WAS UNDER LOCK & KEY, ALONG WITH THE ORIGINAL DIGITIZED IMAGE OF IT IN THE MICROFILM RECORD.
      WHAT IS IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM IS THE SAME FAKE AS WAS PRINTED. THE FAKE HAD TO BE BACKED BY A DIGITAL VERSION OF IT IN THE DOH DATA-BASE, AND THE BIRTH RECORDS LISTING WAS ALTERED TO CONFIRM IT.]

      If Obama were not born in Hawaii and not have a birth certificate in the files in Hawaii, saying anything other than there is NO birth certificate in the file would be a lie. Yet, as we have seen, the officials stated both that there IS a birth certificate in the files AND that it verifies that Obama was born in Hawaii.

      [AS YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CALL ANYTHING AN ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, EVEN IF IT IS NOT. THAT IS PART OF THE GREAT LYING PRETENSE THAT SUPPORTS ADOPTING AND NEW “ORIGINAL” BIRTH CERTIFICATES THAT ARE PURE FICTION.
      “described by Hawaiian officials as a “record of live birth” — “it absolutely exists,… She found the original birth record, properly numbered,
      half typed and half handwritten, …” It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that,” YES! HIS MOTHER’S APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT IS REAL! AND NO AMOUNT OF OBAMUNIST LIES CAN CHANGE THAT! HALF HANDWRITTEN BY HER, AND HALF TYPED BY A CLERK IN FORMALIZING HER INFORMATION.
      “Fukino said. Her second point is that the shorter, computer generated “certification of live
      birth” that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007…” [OPPS! THE WHITE HOUSE WEBSITE, AS OF YESTERDAY, STILL CONTRADICTS THAT CLAIM, STATING IT WAS REQUESTED AND RECEIVED IN 2008 AND IMMEDIATELY POSTING ONLINE.!!! CHEW ON THOSE DIRTY SOCKS!

      What would be the downside for the officials if they were caught in a lie? [CAUGHT??? CAUGHT BY WHO? ANGELS? IT’S FOR SURE THAT NO MORTAL IS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CROSS THE SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WHO HAS THE IRS AND THE NSA AND CIA IN HIS HIP POCKET.]
      Loss of their jobs and the inability to serve in government ever again, and probably criminal prosecution. And, guess what, there was a REPUBLICAN governor and a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN attorney general in Hawaii at the time.

      Now to return to the “not born in Hawaii” myth. It is a fundamental, you know. There would be no motive for forging a Hawaii birth certificate unless Obama was born somewhere else than in Hawaii. Yet the chance of that is about one in a zillion. [SO ARE THE ODDS OF WINNING THE GRAND SLAM LOTTERY, OR… BEING ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! BUT GUESS WHAT, THE LOTTERY IS WON, AND OBAMA WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT AGAINST ALL ODDS. SO PEDDLE YOUR ODDS DEFENSE ELSEWHERE.]
      There isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961. [SHE DIDN’T NEED A PASSPORT TO GIVE BIRTH IN VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA! YOU DUMMY. HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING ON MARS FOR THE LAST YEAR? OR ARE YOU TOO STUPID TO READ OR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SHOULD READ HERE? NOTHING EVER WRITTEN BY ME ARGUES THAT SHE TRAVELED WITH A PASSPORT DURING PREGNANCY. SO WISE UP AND SHUT-UP ABOUT THE STUPID PASSPORT ISSUE.

      (http://www.birtherreport.com/2011/04/foia-release-reveals-obamas-father-was.html)

      Moreover, Obama wrote in his first book, Dreams from My Father, way back in 1995 that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital, in Honolulu, Hawaii—-was he already lying then, and if so, why—surely he could not have imagined that he would run for president in 2008, more than a decade later than 1995. [HE PROBABLY BELIEVES IT AS YOU ALREADY KNOW FROM READING “THE SECRET OBAMA’S MOTHER COULDN’T TELL HIM”

      No, the officials in Hawaii are not lying. Birthers are lying. They are lying about Obama’s birth certificate being forged just the way that they LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said. She never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born IN HAWAII repeatedly, but birther sites said that she had said he was born in Kenya, and they cut off the tape recordings on their sites so that people could not hear what she really said. For the same MOTIVE, they claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged and that the officials in Hawaii are lying. But it is the birthers who are lying.

      Obama really was born in Kapiolani Hospital, in Honolulu. And there really isn’t a tooth fairy.

  12. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “[ALL THAT EXISTS IS THEIR STATEMENTS, COUCHED IN AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, ”

    Answer?: “Ambiguous?” Dream on.

    Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

    There is nothing whatever ambiguous in the above statement. It says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but that BC says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    What don’t you understand about?:
    [WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE IMPERATIVE FOR SUBORDINATES TO LIE FOR THEIR SUPERIORS? IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS THAT IMPERATIVE SUSPENDED? IT SURE ISN’T SUSPENDED IN THE POLITICAL UNIVERSE, AND YET YOU PERSIST IN PRESENTING YOURSELF AS A NEWBORN BABY POLLYANNA IN THE POLITICAL REALM, “SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SUSPECT NO EVIL”.]

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

    THAT is not ambiguous at all. [NO? THEY WHY DID YOU FAIL TO EXPLAIN JUST WHAT THOSE WORDS TRULY AND FACTUALLY MEAN? DID SHE SAY: “I HAVE SEEN BARACK OBAMA’S ORIGINAL HAWAIIAN HOSPITAL CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ARCHIVED IN THE VOLUMES OF SUCH RECORDS. WHY NOT? IN ORDER TO INTRODUCE AMBIGUITY THAT FOOLS LIKE YOU WILL TAKE JUST THE WAY THAT THE LAWYERS THAT FASHIONED THOSE WORDS INTENDED FOR YOU TO TAKE THEM. “MAINTAINED ON FILE” MEANS IN A DIGITAL DATA-BASE FILE, MAINTAIN ALONG WITH ALL OF THEIR COMPUTERS AND DIGITAL RECORDS.

    YOU ALSO CHILDISHLY AVOID UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT “VERIFYING” EVEN MEANS. IT MEANS BACKED-UP BY SOMEONE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EYE-WITNESS OR PARTICIPANT IN THE EVENT(S), AND WHO WAS SUCH A PERSON? IT WAS ANN DUNHAM WHO SWORN BY WRITTEN OATH IN HER APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT THAT HER SON WAS BORN IN HAWAII. WHO WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN HER? AND WHO WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN BILL CLINTON THAT HE DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN, MS LEWINSKY?

    AND WHEN DID THE U.S. SUPREME COURT AUTHORIZE A MERE STATE OFFICIAL TO PROCLAIM THE MEANING OF WHAT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS?

    Nor is this: ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s
    original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    AND WHERE DO THEY HAVE IT “ON RECORD”? ON THEIR COMPUTERS. THEY CAN SEE, WITH THEIR OWN EYES, DISPLAYED ON THEIR OFFICE MONITORS THE VERY BIRTH CERTIFICATE DIGITAL FILE THAT THE FORGER SLIPPED INTO THEIR DIGITAL RECORDS WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND PERMISSION.
    GO AHEAD AND TRY TO PROVE THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE, OR THAT IT WOULD NOT BE IMPERATIVE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THEIR FRAUD ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    Both of them say that Obama’s birth certificate is on file and that they saw it.

    Moreover, as discussed above, and as admitted by you, the subsequent legal filings that verified the facts on Obama’s long form birth certificate said that the facts MATCH. And that means that they are the SAME. There are neither more facts shown nor less facts shown, nor is there any difference in any one of the facts. They MATCH. There is nothing “ambiguous” about facts matching—-and one of the facts that match was Obama’s place of birth, in Kapiolani Hospital.

  13. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “[WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE IMPERATIVE FOR SUBORDINATES TO LIE FOR THEIR SUPERIORS? ”

    Answer: Obama was not their superior. Linda Lingle, the Republican governor, was their superior, and she was a strong supporter of John McCain.

    At the time Barack Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois. He certainly was not a superior to either Fukino or Onaka. He was a Democrat, and their superior was a Republican, and there was a CONSERVATIVE Republican Attorney General of Hawaii at the time. And we notice that you have claimed that Fukino and Onaka, LIED—not that they said something “ambiguous”, but that they LIED. That of course would have been illegal, and there was a CONSERVATIVE Republican attorney general at the time who could at the very least exposed them.

    [OBAMA WAS THEIR POLITICAL SUPERIOR SINCE HE WAS A NATIONAL FIGURE, A U.S. SENATOR, AND A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. THAT PUT HIM IN A SUPERIOR POSITION TO DEMOCRAT UNDERLINGS HIRED BY DEMOCRATS WHO APPOINTED THEM TO THEIR JOBS. LINGLE HAD NO POLITICAL WEIGHT WITHIN THE POLITICAL MINDS OF DEMOCRATS IN THE DOH. SHE WAS IRRELEVANT, AND ALL BUT THE DIRECTOR WERE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES PROTECTED BY UNION CONTRACTS.
    AS FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? ARE YOU STILL IN THE FOURTH GRADE? HOW COULD ANYONE “EXPOSE” ANYONE FOR SOMETHING UNLAWFUL WHEN NO ONE KNEW OF IT AND HAD NO LEGAL WAY TO LEARN THE TRUTH?]

    Moreover, you have no proof of them lying, just that they could lie. It is unlikely that they did lie, but you say that because they could lie, and because some people do lie because they are “subordinates” (but they were NOT subordinates to Obama) they DID lie. Where is the evidence that they lied? Just that YOU think that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Well, (1) that is not evidence; (2) the chance that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii is about one in a zillion.

    [THE LIKELIHOOD OF HIS BIRTH HAVING BEEN IN VANCOUVER INSTEAD OF HONOLULU IS DETERMINED BY THREE THINGS: HIS MOTHER CONSIDERING ADOPTION, ANYONE ELSE IN HER SITUATION PREFERRING ADOPTION TO MOTHERHOOD AT EIGHTEEN WITHOUT A WELL-TO-DO SUGAR DADDY TO PROVIDE AN ATTRACTIVE LIFESTYLE, AND THE FACT THAT HER SON HAD NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE. TAKEN TOGETHER, NO OTHER CONCLUSION CAN BE DRAWN.]

    Yet you insist that Fukino and Onaka lied and that Linda Lingle was wrong when she supported them and that Fuddy lied subsequently, and that the Index Data file was forged. ALL of that happening is highly unlikely—as is Obama’s mother even taking an overseas trip [BACK “HOME” TO SEATTLE] when in the last few MONTHS of pregnancy in 1961—-and yet YOU claim that Fukino and Onaka LIED.

    Re: “AND WHERE DO THEY HAVE IT “ON RECORD”? ON THEIR COMPUTERS. THEY CAN SEE, WITH THEIR OWN EYES, DISPLAYED ON THEIR OFFICE MONITORS THE VERY BIRTH CERTIFICATE DIGITAL FILE THAT THE FORGER SLIPPED INTO THEIR DIGITAL RECORDS WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND PERMISSION.”

    Answer: What evidence do you have for that? And consider how difficult it would be. It would have had to have taken place back in 2007—long, long before Obama declared his candidacy for the Democrat nomination, when he was just a junior senator from Illinois. It would have had to have taken place in 2007 because that is when the short-form was sent to Obama.

    [ARE YOU BLIND? READ MY LATEST EXPOSE “BEHEADING OBAMA’S BOGUS BIRTH CERTIFICATES” WHICH QUOTES WHAT YOU CAN READ WITH YOUR OWN EYES ON THE WHITE HOUSE WEBSITE, THAT THE CAMPAIGN REQUESTED, RECEIVED, AND IMMEDIATELY POSTED THE IMAGE ONLINE OF THE SHORT-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATION IN (SPRING-SUMMER) 2008! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY MENTION OF 2007 EXCEPT FROM LYING APOLOGISTS SUCH AS YOURSELF.]

    Who else would have to be lying? Well, Kapiolani Hospital would have had to—TWICE. (Yes, they also confirmed Obama’s birth in that hospital twice—but birther sites did not show either of them. Want to see them?)
    [YOU IDIOT. KENYA ALSO CLAIMS OBAMA AS A NATIVE SON! DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE QUOTES?]

    And the teacher who wrote home would have to have been lying, when she wrote to her father, named Stanley, that she had heard of the birth of a child to a woman named Stanley.
    [WHAT EXACTLY WOULD SHE HAVE TO BE LYING ABOUT? OH, NOTHING, SINCE NO MENTION WAS MADE AS TO WHERE THE BABY WAS BORN (-VANCOUVER, JUST A FEW DAYS EARLIER.]

    And Linda Lingle would have to have been badly mistaken when she said that her two officials were telling the truth and when she stated (which had not been officially confirmed before she stated it) that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. And the CONSERVATIVE Republican attorney general of Hawaii would have had to have been bought off or ordered not to investigate (and obeyed the order).
    [ARE YOU NUTS? HE KNEW NOTHING. WHY DO YOU PRETEND THAT HE KNEW SOMETHING THAT HE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING.]

    And, most importantly of all, Obama’s mother would have had to have taken a long and risky trip abroad in the last few months of her first pregnancy at the age of 18 ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961).

    Oh, and BTW, the Kenyan government has said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born in Kenya.

    [OH, AND BTW, IF YOU MENTION BIRTH IN KENYA EVER AGAIN IN ANOTHER COMMENT, IT WILL ALL BE DELETED. HE WAS BORN IN VANCOUVER, WHICH YOU KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM. SERIOUSLY, YOU NEED SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP.]

  14. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “YES! HIS MOTHER’S APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT IS REAL! AND NO AMOUNT OF OBAMUNIST LIES CAN CHANGE THAT! HALF HANDWRITTEN BY HER, AND HALF TYPED BY A CLERK IN FORMALIZING HER ”

    Answer: Neither Obama’s mother nor his grandmother signed or had anything whatever to do with an affidavit, and Obama’s mother died in 1995 (of cancer) a long time before Obama even considered running for president.

    The evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii is:

    (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);
    [IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED BY YOURS TRULY AND OTHERS. IT IS BOGUS. LEARN THE FACTS AND GIVE UP YOUR FAIRY TALE SECURITY BLANKET.]

  15. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “[OBAMA WAS THEIR POLITICAL SUPERIOR SINCE HE WAS A NATIONAL FIGURE, A U.S. SENATOR, AND A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. THAT PUT HIM IN A SUPERIOR POSITION TO DEMOCRAT UNDERLINGS HIRED BY DEMOCRATS WHO APPOINTED THEM TO THEIR JOBS. LINGLE HAD NO POLITICAL WEIGHT WITHIN THE POLITICAL MINDS OF DEMOCRATS IN THE DOH. SHE WAS IRRELEVANT, AND ALL BUT THE DIRECTOR WERE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES PROTECTED BY UNION CONTRACTS.
    AS FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? ARE YOU STILL IN THE FOURTH GRADE? HOW COULD ANYONE “EXPOSE” ANYONE FOR SOMETHING UNLAWFUL WHEN NO ONE KNEW OF IT AND HAD NO LEGAL WAY TO LEARN THE TRUTH?]”

    Answer: You are undermining your own case. YOU claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, and yet in also claim that the CONSERVATIVE attorney general of Hawaii did not know and that there was no legal way to “know the truth.”

    Re: “Debunked by yours truly.”

    Answer: So, you CLAIM. But your “debunking” has been debunked.

    Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

    One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

    Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

    And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

    Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

    Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

    And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

    Moreover, no birther “expert” has been able to explain the research on the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

    Moreover, Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate and the repeated confirmations by the officials of BOTH parties is just one of the MANY ways of proving that Obama was born in HAWAII. There is also:

    (3) the public Index Data file;

    (4) the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

    (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

    (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now—twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

    (7) no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961;

    (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

    (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);

    And (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

  16. smrstrauss says:

    Re: ”
    [YOU IDIOT. KENYA ALSO CLAIMS OBAMA AS A NATIVE SON! DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE QUOTES?]”

    Answer: Yes. His FATHER was a Kenyan, that made him a “native son” by decent. But “native son” does not show that Obama was born in Kenya. It only shows that Kenyans regard the sons of their citizens as “native sons.”

    The Kenyan government said it investigated and that Obama WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA.

    AND: Here is the complete US Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for the year that included August 1961:

    http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n4/mode/1up

    Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

    On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

    So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

    There were, by the way, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961

    And, BTW, there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a PASSPORT in 1961—and very few 18-year-olds did, and even fewer women traveled abroad late in pregnancy because of the risk of stillbirths, and yet you hope a few GULLIBLE people will believe you and just ASSUME that Obama’s mother was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that she was one of the 60 Americans who traveled to Kenya and that she and Obama were two of the 21 people who traveled from Kenya to the USA, and that the trip both ways was by SHIP.

    In short, Obama was not born in Kenya.

  17. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “POSTED THE IMAGE ONLINE OF THE SHORT-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATION IN (SPRING-SUMMER) 2008! ”

    Answer: Yes, Obama had his short form BC posted in June 2008 (becoming the first US presidential candidate ever to publish his birth certificate). But it was sent to him in 2007. In fact, it says right on it that it was issued in June 2007.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

    See the date stamp in the second photo from the top.

  18. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “[THE LIKELIHOOD OF HIS BIRTH HAVING BEEN IN VANCOUVER INSTEAD OF HONOLULU IS DETERMINED BY THREE THINGS..”

    One of the things that would determine birth in Vancouver is a BIRTH CERTIFICATE from Vancouver, and there isn’t any. (I wonder why not???)

    In contrast, there IS a birth certificate from Hawaii, and it has been confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and by the Index Data and by the birth notices and by the statements from Kapiolani Hospital and by the teacher who wrote home.

    So, IF and when you get a birth certificate from Vancouver Canada—let us know.

  19. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “CAUGHT??? CAUGHT BY WHO? ANGELS? IT’S FOR SURE THAT NO MORTAL IS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CROSS THE SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WHO HAS THE IRS AND THE NSA AND CIA IN HIS HIP POCKET.]”

    Answer: The confirmations by the two Republican appointees, Fukino and Onaka, were BEFORE Obama was elected. The first of them was when he was only a candidate for the Democrat nomination, and not even the leader in the race—the leader at the time was HILLARY.

    [ONE OF US NEEDS TO GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT. ONAKA MADE NO SUCH MISREPRESENTATION UNTIL THE SECOND ELECTION PERIOD. AND FUKINO MADE NONE UNTIL OBAMA’S ELECTION WAS ALMOST GUARANTEED; OCT. 31, 2008, WHEN WITH THE USUAL VOTE-RIGGING BY DEMOCRATS IN THE SWING-STATES, HE WOULD BE PUT OVER THE TOP VOTE-WISE, AND BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT, WITH NOTHING TO PREVENT IT.

    AS FOR WHO APPOINTED FUKINO, THAT IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT SINCE THE JOB IS A NON-POLITICAL POSITION. OR SO IT WAS UNTIL HAWAII’S NATIVE SON WENT CALLING ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO ELECT HIM KING OF THE PROM.
    WHY WOULDN’T FUKINO BE WILLING TO HELP OUT HER FELLOW HAWAIIAN AND FELLOW SOCIALIST-DEMOCRAT WITH A TINY-WINY LITTLE WHITE LIE, CLAIMING THAT SHE HAD HIS “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” ON RECORD? THAT’S WHAT FAMILY DOES FOR EACH OTHER, LIE, WHEN IT MATTERS THE MOST.]

  20. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “WHY WOULDN’T FUKINO BE WILLING TO HELP OUT HER FELLOW HAWAIIAN AND FELLOW SOCIALIST-DEMOCRAT WITH A TINY-WINY LITTLE WHITE LIE, CLAIMING THAT SHE HAD HIS “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” ON RECORD? THAT’S WHAT FAMILY DOES FOR EACH OTHER, LIE, WHEN IT MATTERS THE MOST.]”

    Answer: Because it was not just Fukino, it was Fukino AND Onaka, and then Linda Lingle, also confirmed, meaning that she believed Fukino and Onaka, and ADDED the fact that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital.

    [ONAKA MADE NO PUBLIC STATEMENT AT ALL. HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND? NOR DID HE PRODUCE ANY LETTERS OF VERIFICATION. THEY ARE ALL AS FRAUDULENT AS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. YOU KNOW THIS BUT MUST PRETEND THAT YOU DO NOT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE PRETENSE OF LEGITIMACY SURROUNDING THE HAWAIIAN PRINCE.
    SHOW JUST ONE SO-CALLED DOCUMENT THAT CONTAINS A HUMAN SIGNATURE OTHER THAN LYING FUDDY’S CLAIM ABOUT THE LONG-FORM BC CREATION.

    YOU CAN’T, BUT YOU LIE ANYWAY, TRYING TO TURN BLUSTER INTO TRUTH. IF YOU’D LIKE TO LEARN ABOUT THE SERIOUSNESS OF SWORN STATEMENTS, READ WHAT THE US GOVERNMENT SAYS HERE: AFFIDAVITS http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86734.pdf

  21. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Affidavits.”

    A birth certificate is not an affidavit, and the legal statements of state officials are not affidavits either, nor do the federal rules apply to them.

    [AN AFFIDAVIT IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND CAN’T PROMPT THE ISSUANCE OF ONE UNLESS CORROBORATED BY THE SWORN TESTIMONY OF UNRELATED PARTIES. SO FAR, THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS SIGNED A SWORN STATEMENT HAS BEEN ANN DUNHAM. NO ONE ELSE. NOTHING SAID OR WRITTEN BY ANYONE IN HAWAII IS LEGALLY MEANINGFUL IN ANY COURT ANYWHERE.

    WHY NOT IF THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES “FULL FAITH AND CREDIT” RECIPROCITY? BECAUSE NOTHING IS LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE IN ANY COURT UNLESS IT IS SIGNED. IF IT IS NOT SIGNED, THEN A VIOLATION OF VERIFICATION HAS BEEN ALLOWED, AND AN ILLEGITIMATE PIECE OF EVIDENCE HAS CONTAMINATED THE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH.

    • smrstrauss says:

      Re: “THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS SIGNED A SWORN STATEMENT HAS BEEN ANN DUNHAM. NO ONE ELSE. ”

      Answer: She signed Obama’s birth certificate, but the “sworn statement” that you linked to is what you yourself described as “a simulation.” In other words, it is NOT real. There is no such document.

      [THERE MOST CERTAINLY IS SUCH A DOCUMENT, AND YOU KNOW IT. ANN DUNHAM HAND-WROTE IT AND A CLERK TYPED THE INFORMATION SHE GAVE INTO THE BOXES OF THE APPLICATION ON WHICH SHE WROTE HER EXPLANATION AND INFORMATION, AND THEN SIGNED UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.

      ITS CALLED AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATION OF BIRTH AND WAS CREATED TO DEAL WITH JUST THE SORT OF UNOFFICIALLY ATTENDED BIRTHS THAT ANN CLAIMED WAS THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF HER CHILD’S BIRTH.

      IF YOU ARE INTENT ON CLAIMING THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST, THEN YOU NEED MORE THAN THE WORD OF THE LYING WORKERS OF THE HAWAIIAN DEPT OF CORRUPTION, I’M SORRY, I MEANT TO WRITE “HEALTH”. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS HALF HAND-WRITTEN.

      YOU CAN’T BECAUSE YOU CLING TO THE SECURITY BLANKET OF A LEGITIMATE HAWAIIAN HOSPITAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAVING BEEN ISSUED, -A CLAIM THAT NO ONE IN THE HAWAIIAN GOVERNMENT HAS EVER MADE, AND WILL NEVER MAKE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A BIG FACT LIE THAT THEY WOULD KNOW IS A LIE.

  22. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “WHY NOT IF THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES “FULL FAITH AND CREDIT” RECIPROCITY? BECAUSE NOTHING IS LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE IN ANY COURT UNLESS IT IS SIGNED…”

    Obama’s long form birth certificate has his mother’s signature on it and the doctor’s signature on it (and the widow of the doctor said that she recognized his signature).

    [YOU’RE AN IDIOT. HIS LONG FORM IS A PRINT-OUT OF A DIGITAL FILE. IT HAS NO SIGNATURES ON IT. IT HAS ONLY THE APPEARANCE OF SIGNATURES, BOTH OF WHICH ARE GENUINE IMAGES OF THEIR SIGNATURES TAKEN FROM OTHER DOCUMENTS. IN CASE NO ONE TOLD YOU, PHOTO-EDITORS CAN EXTRACT ANY ELEMENT FROM A DOCUMENT AND REPRODUCE IT! YEAH, HONEST! I’M JUST NOW LEARNING THIS AS NO DOUBT YOU ARE TOO! WE’VE BEEN SUCH HUGE DUMMIES UNTIL NOW. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? WHY DIDN’T SOMEONE TELL US SOONER?

    People can, BTW, LIE in affidavits, as have several birthers including one who claimed in the affidavit that he had gone to KENYA and gotten Obama’s “BC” from a hospital in Mombassa.

    THERE YOU GO. WHAT MOTHER WOULDN’T LIE IN AN AFFIDAVIT IF IT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO ACQUIRE US CITIZENSHIP FOR HER CHILD? SO THAT’S JUST WHAT ANN D. DID. BUT SHE HAD NO WITNESSES TO BACK HER UP, SO NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD BE AUTHORIZED, ALTHOUGH THE BIRTH WAS PUT IN WITH ALL OF THE OTHER CURRENT BIRTHS FOR SENDING TO THE NEWSPAPERS, -NOT FOR SENDING TO A US GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT REQUIRED SOLID VALIDATION.
    THE PURPOSE OF THE NEWSPAPERS WAS NOT TO ESTABLISH US CITIZENSHIP BUT MERELY TO ANNOUNCE RECENT BIRTHS. BARRY JR. WAS A RECENT BIRTH, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, SO HIS BIRTH WARRANTED INCLUSION ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHERS. BUT BEING BORN IS NOT EVIDENCE OF WHERE ONE WAS BORN.]

    Furthermore, there is the confirming evidence of the birth notices in the 1961 newspapers that could only have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii.

    In contrast, you have not a document from Vancouver Canada AT ALL — neither signed nor unsigned. [EITHER FAKE OR REAL, WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? AS LONG AS SOME DUMB-ASS THING OR OTHER EXISTS, THAT IS ROCK-SOLID PROOF OF BIRTH, RIGHT? … BUT NOT BIRTH LOCATION. ONLY AN NON-FORGED DOCTOR’S SIGNATURE OR THAT OF A BIRTH CERTIFICATE CLERK IS EVIDENCE OF A LIVE HOSPITAL BIRTH IN A SPECIFIC PLACE. IMAGES OF SIGNATURES DON’T PROVE A DAMN THING IN THE DIGITAL AGE. YES, LOOK AROUND, WE ARE IN THE DIGITAL AGE!

  23. smrstrauss says:

    BTW, please show the ALLEGED Ann Dunham “affidavit.” It would be very interesting IF there were one, since she died in 1995.

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN… HERE IT IS! THE AFFIDAVIT! https://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/the-obama-vital-record-simulation/

    I CHALLENGE EVERYONE TO FIND ANY HOLES IN IT.

  24. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Here it is, the affidavit.”

    That is, as you said, a simulation. In reality there is NO such document.

  25. smrstrauss says:

    Actually, Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama’s birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin’s), and all three of the others are still alive.

    And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

    So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate—-when there isn’t even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

    • arnash says:

      More stupid lies. Only Fuddy made a birth certificate statement and signed it with her own hand, -unequivocally. The others never signed any official HDoH document and thus are not on any legal hook for having lied under the authority of their office.

      Lawyers made sure that they were legally protected, but more importantly, they were only part of the cover-up, not the crime itself. They were spin-meisters, not document manipulators. But Fuddy allowed access to the Dunham original Late Birth Certificate Application affidavit from which the “information” was extracted for the counterfeit.

      As for your pathetic alternative motives for her murder, none of them hold any water nor have a shred of testimony to back them up. You might as well say that maybe she was hit in the brain with a powerful burst of cosmic radiation from the sun.

      Why Fuddy? Because she was named in a secret addendum to a lawsuit challenging Obama’s eligibility, with the information that she paid around 70K on her outstanding mortgage bill with money that had no known origin. Had the case gone forward, she would have been called to testify about the birth certificate, and that could not have been allowed. She had to be dispatched even before being called or else her death would have been super suspicious to even the perennially non-suspicious Obama sheep.

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