Beheading Obama’s Bogus Birth Certificates (Pt.2

The big-time LIARS can’t get their stories straight!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27%20president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

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That is the direct (abridged) statement from the corrupt Obama White House, still sticking to their lying campaign story that even their co-liars are too embarrassed to peddle.   Why?  Because of the date stamp that bled-through from the back to the front and is quite legible as being Jun 6 2007.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/   [The contrary-explanation:]

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and “all the records we could get our hands on” according to spokesperson Shauna Daly.

The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama’s citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna:  “[We] couldn’t get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we’ve found out it’s pretty irrelevant for the outside world.

They blacked it out out of caution?  Then how in hell do they explain this version of the document?

blank-form-expose hawaiian-blank575The black box drawn just beyond the “Certificate No.” clearly pre-dated the creation of the finished fake.  Since Obama had no original Hawaiian hospital Certificate of Live Birth (having been born in Vancouver, B.C.,) he therefore had no certificate number, so one could not be displayed, hence the cover-story for why it was hidden.  It would have stayed hidden forever if his people in the Hawaiian Dept of Health were not able to “borrow” one from a deceased person.  Virginia Sunahara, who died Aug. 5, 1961 in a Honolulu hospital, two days after her birth.  The powers that be in Hawaii will not grant her brother permission to obtain a copy of her long-form birth certificate even though he is qualified.  Guess why.

With no certificate number, the first thing that had to be done on the blank that the forger got his or her hands on was to draw a graphics box around the area where the number should be displayed, and then fill-in the box with a solid color (black), which was done, as apposed to someone placing a piece of black paper over the number of the “real” birth certification number.

The black box is a perfect rectangle with flawless edges, meaning that someone with computer graphics or photo-editing software experience manipulated it’s image in a photo-editing program, -creating it rather than it being physically placed on top of the number, as the lying campaign worker implies.  How many political campaign-workers would be experienced at photo-manipulation?  Dang few, if any.  It is very easy to do (using the shape tool and the fill-in tool) but when the campaign is self-reportedly in a huge hurry, why not just place the document in a scanner with a blank strip of paper over the number?  Quick and easy.  No skill required.  They didn’t do that because there was already a black box in that space in the digital computer scan of the image of the paper blank that would become the final forged document after the forger acquired a certificate number from a deceased baby.

Evidence that there was no year-long acquisition of all of Obama’s records that they could get their hands on (which are still under privacy lock-up in all the schools he attended, -as if he is just some Joe Blow private citizen now and forever) is seen in the absence of any number to put in that spot.  But aside from that logical speculation, is the logical presumption that if concern about the significance of the number occurred to them in June of 2008, then, having the same brains and thought processes, they would have been concerned a year earlier, and figuring that they would be expected to release a birth certificate for a candidate born of a transient alien, they would have contacted Hawaii as soon as they “received” “it”.

But “it” merely appeared online at the dailykos out of the blue with no attribution.  When liberal-run factcheck.org and snopes and politifact treated it as legitimate, then the campaign was off to the races and had the confidence to link their website to it, and even create a new one (fight the smears) to highlight it.  But they never hosted it on their own web server, only displaying it via links.  Remaining untouched by it and its fraudulence.

But it gets worse!  Their campaign mouthpiece made it seem that once they “learned” that the number was irrelevant, then they uncovered it so the full, unredacted  image could be seen, and yet what do you find being shared as the authentic short-form birth certificate issued by Hawaii on the White House website?  You see this pdf abomination:  (after 6 years!!!)

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“We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.”  [BECAUSE IT WAS A LIE!  -as shown in Part 1.]

Factcheck continues with their obfuscation:  Blowup of certificate number
“We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: “It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.”
Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.”  ~
our colleagues at PolitiFact.com” -that could have been “our comrades” since both are partially funded by the George Soros funded open-borders, New World Order, international socialist Annenberg Foundation.  So… who does that foundation fund?  People that are neutral and non-partisan, or people who strongly lean in their direction?
The language used reveals their true stripes: loopy theories. -high-quality tinfoil hat, and all of the overblown, lethal-by-exaggeration approach to serious questions.  They lie about the breadth of the conspiracy in order to kill suspicion by employing mockery and derision.
But they failed to grasp very important pieces of the puzzle, including; -the willingness to lie for one’s political ideology and leaders and bosses, to cheat, to obfuscate and manipulate; the world-wide breath of the counterfeiting “industry”, focused not just on currency (which involves astounding levels of skill) but also birth certificates; the high degree of quality manipulation available due to computer technology and photo-editing software, and the facts about the original document that they were ignorant of.
It was what the Hawaii DoH described as “half hand-written, and half-typed”; which means a completed “late birth certificate application” which constitutes a sworn affidavit written and signed under oath by Obama’s mother, and then put into a typed format on the same page.  It was so formal, and legal of a document that she felt compelled to officiate it to the maximum by writing-in her abandoned first name as a nervous after-thought.
As the DoH mouthpieces stated, that document “is real”, “it exists”.  And, it was the source of one more birth to be added to the list sent to the newspapers.  But it could not alone justify the issuance of a birth certificate since the law mandated an investigation of the affidavit claims, and required testimony in person or under sworn affidavit by any witnesses willing to corroborate the affidavit claims.  No such witnesses existed, and so no corroboration could be offered, and so no birth certificate could be issued.
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Take note of this background look at the Factcheck neutral, unbiased “researchers”: [found here: (http://www.birtherreport.com/2010/06/bombshell-hawaii-official-janice-okubos.html ]
“All should view the research compiled at this site; http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/
Factcheck     Flashback from the Right Side of Life”
“Meet the only 2 people to ever “examine” Obama’s SHORT-FORM COLB’s. The two FactCheck.org employees who were granted access to Obama’s bogus Certification of Live Birth (COLB) are NOT document examiners or experts. Joe Miller has a Ph. D. in Political Philosophy — so he’s a political operative — while Jess Henig has an M.A. in English Literature — I’m not sure her dye-job is a political or esthetic statement.They are a couple of partisan Obots — just what you’d expect — Jess took the photos presented on their webpage and did all of the writing, while Bob basically held the COLB open for Jess to photograph — suitable work for a Ph. D.
Those two are completely unqualified to perform any kind of forensic examination of any document, and FactCheck.org knows it — and so do Henig and Miller.
FactCheck does say their, “representatives got a chance to spend some time with the ‘birth certificate,’ and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.” In my mind, that clearly shows they were working with and for the Obama Campaign and that Obama and his people are involved in this lie. Much more HERE.”
     [NOTICE THE TOTAL ABSENCE OF ANY CLAIM THAT IT IS “AUTHENTIC“!!!  ALL THEY CLAIM IS THAT IT IS NOT A PHANTOM OR A MIRAGE.  ALSO NOTE THAT birth certificate IS IN QUOTATION MARKS!??  BUT HEY!  IT’S 3-D!  WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT???
THEY SUPPLIED A SUPER-RESOLUTION IMAGE OF THE FRONT SIDE, birth_certificate_1B BUT THAT “RAISED SEAL” IS A NON-LEGAL SEAL BECAUSE IT IS THE BACKSIDE OF AN IMPRESSED IMAGE, NOT THE FRONT SIDE OF AN EMBOSSED IMAGE (as Hawaiian law requires).
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The word “DEPARTMENT” can be seen in part beginning at the left-side middle, and “STATE of _ _WAII” at the bottom.  One can conclude two things about the Hawaiian Dept. of Health from the quality and appearance of that seal: their standards of quality of certification are pathetic, rinky-dink, amateur, lax, sub-standard and inadequate, -resulting in a flawed, incomplete, and nearly illegible image (probably since the device used to make that impression is much cheaper to make and buy than a qualify, hand-carved, sculpting of real imagery and text, as their own law anticipates)  but also that someone in the HDoH allowed it to be used at some point.

birth_certificate_9-33This image is one-third the size of the original (3072 X 2304)  The blank form photo was taken before the seal device was applied since nothing can be detected of any alteration in the paper, which is evident in this high-contrast, high-sharpness 250% enlargement of the seal area from the front, flipped horizontally: [its one thing for a seal impression to be faint, but to be invisible all-together probably means it is non-existent.]
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Debossed Seal-croppedDebossed SealEven this half-crap, missing-center example shows that  “STATE OF HAWAII” is readable at the bottom, and (DEPART)MENT OF can be decerned at the top.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 “And this oldie; Hawaii Officials refuse to verify president’s online COLBs images released by Obama’s campaign and FactCheck.org…
In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama’s short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.

Janice Okubu, the public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, also had no explanation for why Dr. Fukino’s initial press release last October and subsequent press release also avoided declaring the posted images to be of authentic documents.

FactCheck.org, an organization funded by the same left-leaning Annenberg Foundation that also employed Barack Obama and former Weatherman radical bomber Bill Ayers, produced a short-form Obama COLB that was different in appearance than the campaign released.

In June 2008, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, released the initial short-form Obama COLB to various newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, declaring, “This is Sen. Obama’s birth certificate.”

This short-form Obama COLB was released as a .jpg internet image, displaying no signs of having been folded or of carrying an official State of Hawaii embossed seal.  WND. And much more HERE.”  [note: I’ve discovered proof that they are in fact the same.]  border-dots

– by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/  Politifact wrote:

The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public records. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.  On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. (shut-down)

[“Stalled”, -that does not mean for minutes or hours, but for days or weeks.  But supposedly the campaign had  the COLB for a year and simply released it when interest appear, but with the number black-out.  But that DID NOT HAPPEN!  They did NOT release it as their lie claimed.  Everyone was waiting impatiently for quite some time.  They’ve been forced to rewrite history.]

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. [“It”???  How the hell could an e-mail image be “real”?]

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

[How in God’s name could anyone look at a digital image of a perfect counterfeit and tell if “it” is real or not???  You have to forensically exam the original paper document, which has never, ever, been allowed.  So either Okubo lied, -being a party to the fraud, (which she probably was, as in insider knowing what was missing from their archive) or they lied about what she said.]

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

[Idiots!  Counterfeit money also looks identical, otherwise it would not be accepted.  And what about those “more questions” that every answer triggered?  Did they follow the leads until they came to actual answers demonstrably true?  Or did they shrink from their duty to find the truth wherever it might be found and whatever it might be?  Did they walk in the footsteps of Woodward and Bernstein?  Hell no, they didn’t.]

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?  [“every length possible”???  Translation: “every length convenient and polite and obsequious.”]

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”  [And…????… That’s it???   -No authentication at all?  Silence speaks VOLUMES!!!]

Still, she acknowledges:

I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.

“In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama’s short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released two months later on Aug. 21, 2008 by FactCheck.org., (an organization funded by the same left-leaning Annenberg Foundation).

Janice Okubu, the public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, also had no explanation for why Dr. Fukino’s initial press release last October and subsequent press release also avoided declaring the posted images to be of authentic documents.”

NOTE: There is collateral damage to Obama’s credibility due to the facts about his bogus short-form birth certificate.  It is the inescapable conclusion that if he was unqualified for even a short-form certification, then there is no way at all that there was ever a hospital- created long-form certificate in Hawaii for him.

If his short-form isn’t real, then neither is his long form, and since both forms are merely abstracts in this digital age anyway, he can have both!  -with a little talented computer manipulation of the imagery of his mother’s affidavit captured from the microfilm which captured an image of the original.  Aren’t computer’s just wonderful! -after all, they gave us our first counterfeit unconstitutional alien-born President.  [And all the people cheered as they drank down the sweet, cool Kool-Aid of the Obama Nation.]

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fukino-claim1+2+text  No one who makes a statement quotes them self as the author, so if Fukino didn’t write the statements, which are ALL in Quotation marks, then who did?  Who was supposedly quoting the director?  Was the so-called “Statement / News Release” an official statement by Fukino herself or was it merely some unattributed source supposedly quoting Fukino at arms-length, -legally speaking?

Can Fukino be held legally responsible for lies that appear in quotation marks and attributed to her by an unrevealed person?  Clearly, if they had been real official statements, then they would have been signed by the maker of the statements, yet neither that person (supposedly Fukino) nor the quoter, have signed anything.  That provided legal protection if the dogs of justice were to start barking.  They could just throw up their hands and claim (without taking the 5th Amendment) “It wasn’t me!  I didn’t write it or release it.  If I had, then I would have signed it, so I’m legally off the hook, right?”

Off the hook for what?  For claiming that an original birth certificate for Obama was “on record”.  Something is on record alright, but it is not an original birth certificate. (It is Ann Dunham’s lying late-birth application affidavit.)  What is remarkable is how the statement pulls it punches by deliberately failing to claim that what is “on record” in their digital data-base is a digital copy of an original Hawaiian hospital Certificate of Live Birth.

No one from Hawaii has ever made the claim that such a document exists.  It has not been confirmed nor denied, -just never, ever mentioned.  Aside from one single, overt lie, all that has been allowed to be said used the weasel words “vital record”.  The counterfeit digital short-form template & text which can be printed on safety paper is what the statement refers to as being “on record in accordance with State policies and procedures”, which are digital procedures handling digital files stored on dept. computer servers.

That State policy is a virtually all-digital policy.  Everything is or was scanned into the data-base for instant access, with no need to manually find, remove and carry, open and rescan paper documents.  That age is over.  But their lying, deceitful statement wants you to not realize that fact, -as seen in the statement by Fuddy who claimed to have witnessed the physical copying of an original birth certificate, -something that is never done, and should not have been done, (and need not have been done) according to the first statement which says that Obama’s record was handled no differently than any other record.

That statement was made in order to create a very subtle false impression in the mind of the reader.  It implies that since the “vital record” was handled no differently that any other, therefore it had to exist or they could not have handled it.  After all, (as they wish you to reason) why make a statement about how it was handled if “it” didn’t even exist?  (with “it” implying an actual birth certificate instead of an affidavit)

Who would come up with such a clever rouse?  Answer: very clever socialist lawyers who want the Democrats to be in national control for decades to come, and will work to ensure that that happens, by any means necessary.  Yes, Virginia, it is a damn conspiracy!  But the great socialist Santa of the Democrap party will make it all better.

The Democrap Fukino made a bold and grand and final statement just to shoot-down any remaining media skeptic, by claiming that “the original vital record maintained on file” (note that digital records are “maintained” (temperature & humidity and dusty protection) but paper records are not.  They just exist unaffected by anything as long as a tropical typhoon doesn’t destroy the building.) verifies not only that BHO was born in Hawaii (as if a parent’s uncorroborated claim on a piece of paper is equivalent to a certificate signed by the hand of the doctor that delivered the baby) AND therefore also verifies what no court in the nation has every defined, -which is who is and who is not a “natural born citizen”.

So why did she resort to showing her true colors, and assuming an authority that the Supreme Court does not want to touch with a ten foot pole, by OFFICIALLY PROCLAIMING: OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?  Because it was not about the truth, or verification, or certification, or reality.  It was about getting him fully legitimized in the minds of the lap-dog media-maggots.

Once they all go silent, then it’s game over.  And that is just how it played out.  The usurpation of the presidency was shored-up and protected on all sides by the silence of the national media, which joined the silence of the entire American government, across the whole federal government and every single State government as well.  This surely must be the most successful fraud in world history.  Everyone was either silently in on it (like the Supreme Court, and Congress) or taken in by it.  And so a disinterested and apathetic public gets taken for the biggest Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride in history.  Undoubtedly, this ride will eventually end badly, but no one in America can imagine just how badly.

by Adrien Nash  July 2014,  obama–nation.com

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12 Responses to Beheading Obama’s Bogus Birth Certificates (Pt.2

  1. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama’s short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images.”

    The problem with the above is very simple. You have to believe WND.

    Strange that very few rational people do, the reason being their numerous lies in the past, for example the lie that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she really said that he was born IN HAWAII.

    So, when WND says that the Hawaii DOH “refused to authenticate”—who will believe them?
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    Answer: Any sane person. If the God-fearing head of WND were a liar in contradiction to his belief in a Holy, True, and Righteous God, then he could have said that “yes, Hawaii confirmed that they produced the documents, -but they are either lying or they did produce them but as fraudulent documents.”

    But instead, WND met a brick wall of silence. No one wanted to be recorded, or state for the record, that the fraudulent documents were the handiwork of their own people. That would be a very dangerous lie to make because they might have to one day prove what they said in a court of law.
    They could not have any assurance that a federal judge somewhere wouldn’t subpena the original, or order inspection of it my non-partisan professional examiners.
    They didn’t want to be the fall-guy if the whole conspiracy went the way of Watergate, with subpenaed testimony, indictments, prosecutions, convictions, and sentences to hard time in a federal prison. And THAT is why no statement from Hawaii was signed by Fukino or Onaka.
    Only Fuddy was so deep into the faking of the long-form that she had to defend it to the maximum with her personal signature.

  2. arnash says:

    I’ve added a new final section to this exposition, -regarding the crank, cracked, corrupt, quack statements by dr. Fukino regarding the legitimacy of Obama’s non-existent birth certificate, with a full-size record of the two statements combined.

    • smrstrauss says:

      Re “cracked, corrupt…”

      Not only Fukino, but Onaka also confirmed Obama’s birth certificate. [YES, AND I’VE SHOWN HOW THOROUGHLY BOGUS THOSE “CONFIRMATIONS” ARE. ARE YOU PRETENDING THAT YOU DID NOT READ WHAT I WROTE IN WHAT WAS POSTED YESTERDAY? IF YOU DID, AS NO DOUBT YOU DID, WHY HAVE YOU NOT ADDRESSED ANYTHING I WROTE? WHY ARE TO REPETITIOUSLY REPEATING DISPROVEN TALKING POINTS?]

      And then the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, stated that Hawaii had issued a BC for Obama, indicating that she believed Fukino and Onaka, and she added the fact that had not been on the short form BC that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital (which, BTW, has confirmed that Obama was born there TWICE—), [“CLAIMED” IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO “CONFIRMED” UNLESS SPEAKING OF STATEMENTS OF ACTUAL ANGELS.] and then the BC was repeatedly confirmed by Fuddy, and by Onaka again in court filings and in the confirmation to the CONSERVATIVE Republican Secretary of State of Arizona (who believed what the HAWAII officials said, and not what the birthers sites CLAIMED).
      [WHY THE HELL ARE YOU LIVING IN THE PAST??? I’VE ALREADY DEBUNKED THOSE STATEMENTS COMPLETELY. YOU KNOW THAT BUT SINCE YOU LIVE IN AUTO-PILOT MODE, YOU MUST ENDLESSLY REGURGITATE DEBUNKED AUTHENTICITY CLAIMS. REPEAT THEM AGAIN AND THEY WILL BE DELETED.

      And in addition to all that human confirmation there is also the Index Data file;
      [GEE WALLY, IF SOMETHING IS PRINTED ON PAPER, IT MUST BE TRUE ‘CAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YOU CAN’T COUNTERFEIT WHAT WAS PRINTED ON PAPER, RIGHT? Uhhhh, NO BEAVER, THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS.]

  3. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “So, when WND says that the Hawaii DOH “refused to authenticate”—who will believe them?”

    WND LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said. She said that Obama was born IN HAWAII, but they claimed that she said that he was born in Kenya. She never said any such thing. In fact she said over and over that Obama was born in Hawaii, but WND and other birther sites did not quote her actual words. Instead they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just BEFORE she was asked where he was born—so that visitors to their sites could not learn what she actually said. Moreover, they never published the words of the Kenyan Embassy spokesman, who said that the Kenyan government had investigated and that Obama was not born in Kenya.

    So WND LIED. Why should anyone believe them?

    REPLY: THAT IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT I’VE READ. THE ACCOUNT WAS THAT THE INTERVIEWER ASKED HER WHERE HE WAS BORN SO HE COULD TRAVEL THERE AND SEE THE PLACE. HIS QUESTION WAS TRANSLATED AND HER REPLY WAS “MOMBASA”, WHICH ELICITED HUSHED DISCUSSION IN THE BACKGROUND, AND ONLY THEN DID SHE CHANGE HER ANSWER TO HAWAII, (NO DOUBT AS INSTRUCTED BY RELATIVES WHO KNEW BETTER ABOUT AMERICAN CONCEPTIONS OF PRESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY). SO YOUR STORY HOLDS NO WATER WITH ANYONE WHO READ THAT REPORT.

    BUT IT IS ALL IRRELEVANT SINCE HE WAS BORN IN VANCOUVER, ACQUIRED NO BRITISH COLUMBIA BIRTH CERTIFICATE SINCE HIS MOTHER LEFT WITHIN A DAY OR TWO, AND THEN WAS UNABLE TO ACQUIRE ONE IN HAWAII BECAUSE HER SWORN “VITAL RECORD” AFFIDAVIT APPLYING FOR A LATE BIRTH CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH WAS DENIED SINCE IT HAD NO CORROBORATION.

    YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT AND YET WISH TO DISTRACT BY ENDLESSLY REPEATING IRRELEVANT SIDE-SHOW ARGUMENTS. WHEN WILL YOU BEGIN TO ACCEPT REALITY? I KNOW, WHEN PIGS FLY.

  4. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “BUT IT IS ALL IRRELEVANT SINCE HE WAS BORN IN VANCOUVER, ACQUIRED NO BRITISH COLUMBIA BIRTH CERTIFICATE SINCE HIS MOTHER LEFT WITHIN A DAY OR TWO, AND THEN WAS UNABLE TO ACQUIRE ONE IN HAWAII BECAUSE HER SWORN “VITAL RECORD” AFFIDAVIT APPLYING FOR A LATE BIRTH CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH WAS DENIED SINCE IT HAD NO CORROBORATION.”

    Well, IF that were true, the alleged Vancouver BC would STILL BE IN THE FILES OF THE GOVERNMENT in Vancouver, Canada. Do you think that simply because Obama’s mother left within a day or two, Vancouver did not issue a birth certificate?

    IF Obama were born in Vancover, that BC would still be in the files. All that you have to do is to get a source to make a copy for you.

    [Wow!, you are dense. If she left before receiving or filling out a vital information form, or declined to fill one out, then there would be nothing to put into a birth record other than her name.]

    it still would have been EXTREMELY unlikely that Obama’s mother traveled in the last month or two of her first pregnancy away from her parents to Vancouver at the risk of stillbirth.

    [The scenario postulates she traveled in the 6th-7th month, not a hardship at that point.]

    Yes, she traveled to Seattle AFTER Obama was born, but traveling with an infant is not the same thing as running the risk of stillbirth. [THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A DISAPPOINTMENT TO SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO GIVE BIRTH NOR BE A MOTHER YET. aND SHE TRAVELED BACK TO SEATTLE AFTER VISITING HAWAII AFTER FLYING THERE FROM VANCOUVER, PROBABLY IN THE COMPANY OF HER MOTHER.]

    So, for Obama to have been born in Vancouver, Obama’s mother would had to have taken that extremely unlikely trip, the Hawaii birth certificate would have to be forged and the officials of Hawaii lying. And yet there is NO evidence from Vancouver that shows that Obama was born there.

    [HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE? THERE WAS NO KNOWN EVIDENCE THAT NIXON KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COVER-UP OF WATERGATE, UNTIL IT WAS PRODUCED AFTER HE WAS REELECTED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF MOST THINGS BUT THEY ARE TRUE NEVERTHELESS.]

  5. smrstrauss says:

    Re: ” (NO DOUBT AS INSTRUCTED BY RELATIVES WHO KNEW BETTER ABOUT AMERICAN CONCEPTIONS OF PRESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY). SO YOUR STORY HOLDS NO WATER WITH ANYONE WHO READ THAT REPORT.”

    Answer: Here is my transcription of the call after the issue of Obama’s place of birth was raised:

    MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

    [Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only] [THIS IS WHERE THERE IS A MISSING SECTION PRECEDING THE BIG DISCUSSION, WHICH ENSUED BECAUSE SHE HAD ANSWERED “MOMBASA” AND THAT WAS AN UNACCEPTABLE ANSWER TO THOSE RELATIVES IN THE KNOW, HENCE THE BIG DISCUSSION, OTHERWISE SHE WOULD HAVE SIMPLY ANSWERED “AMERICA” OR “HAWAII” WITHOUT ANY NEED TO HAVE EXPLAINED TO HER THAT ONLY THOSE ANSWERS WERE ACCEPTABLE. BUT IT DOESN’T MATTER ANYWAY, BECAUSE HE WAS NOT BORN IN MOMBASA BUT IN VANCOUVER.]

    OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

    MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

    OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

    MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)

    [At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice. Repeat: A WOMAN’s voice. ]

    OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

    Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.

    Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.

    So, was the report that Obama’s mother said that Obama was born in Kenya the truth? Answer: NO. Is her statement that Obama was born in Hawaii proof that Obama was born in Hawaii? Obviously not,

    BTW, there were TWO other interviews with Obama’s Kenyan grandmother. One said (though I cannot find links to it anymore) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard about Obama’s birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII, and the other said that Obama WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA. Here’s a link to the latter of those two:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/06/22/barack_obama_wasnt_born_in_kenya/

    HOWEVER, you believe that Obama was born in Vancouver, so the notion that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that the was born in Kenya is useless to you. If she had said it, that would undermine your theory. But, she did not say it. Oh, and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated, and that Obama certainly was not born in Kenya. Of course that still leaves the POSSIBILITY of Vancouver still open. But there is no EVIDENCE of Obama being born there.
    [I NOTICED A PILE OF BEAR POOP ON THE GROUND BEHIND MY HOUSE YESTERDAY, BUT THERE WAS NO PROOF THAT A BEAR HAD BEEN THERE. SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE LEFT THAT POOP THERE TO DECEIVE ME, BUT LOGIC DICTATES OTHERWISE, JUST AS IT DOES WITH THE ISSUE OF WHERE OBAMA WAS AND WAS NOT BORN.
    YOU CAN BELIEVE ANN DUNHAM’S LYING AFFIDAVIT THAT SAID HE WAS BORN AT HOME IN HAWAII, BUT THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO HIS CONSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY SINCE NATURAL CITIZENSHIP IS NOT DEPENDENT ON LOCATION OF BIRTH, BUT NATIONALITY OF PARENTS. NOTHING ELSE.
    UNLESS YOU CAN MAKE HIS FATHER INTO AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, HE IS AN ALIEN USURPER HOLDING POWER IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE US CONSTITUTION.]

  6. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Bear poop is evidence of a bear being there.”

    YOU have NO proof that Obama was born in Vancouver. NOTHING. No document of any kind. No witness. NOTHING.

    [ALL TRUE, BUT GUESS WHAT… IT’S ALSO ALL TRUE REGARDING HAWAII; NO PROOF, NO WITNESSES, NO VERIFIED DOCUMENTATION OF ANY KIND, NO ACCESS TO THE COUNTERFEIT “BIRTH CERTIFICATES”, NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT HAWAII IS IN POSSESSION OF AN ORIGINAL HAWAIIAN HOSPITAL CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, NO SIGNED VERIFICATION LETTERS TO ANYONE EXCEPT THE ONE BY LYING FUDDY WHO ALLOWED FULLY ACCESS FOR PRODUCING THE FAKE LONG-FORM. NOTHING BUT FRAUD! ]

    Ann Dunham, btw, never had an “affidavit.”

    [GEE, THANKS EVER SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME, HERE I WAS UNDER THE MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THAT THE DEPT., ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNOR AND FUKINO, HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS HALF-HAND-WRITTEN, WRITTEN DOWN ON PAPER.
    WHEN YOU’VE FOUND A HALF HAND-WRITTEN BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR SOMEONE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

    MEANWHILE I’LL CONTINUE TO SUSPECT THAT SHE COMPLETED AN APPLICATION (UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY) FOR A LATE-BIRTH CERTIFICATE BY DESCRIBING IN HER OWN WORDS WHY SHE LACKED A HOSPITAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
    WOULDN’T YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME FOR YOUR FIRST-BORN?
    WHAT PARENT WOULD REFUSE TO LIE WHEN LYING WAS THE ONLY MEANS FOR YOUR CHILD TO OBTAIN UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP?]

    She received a birth certificate for the birth of her son in Kapiolani Hospital, which was signed by a doctor at that hospital (and the widow of that doctor confirmed his signature). Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed Obama’s birth there TWICE (but birther sites have not shown either of them to you).

    [THE HOSPITAL IS NOT A PERSON. IT CANNOT, AND HAS NOT “CONFIRMED” ANYTHING. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO DISHONESTLY PRETEND THAT YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ANONYMOUS CLAIM AND AN ACTUAL SUBSTANTIATION?

    HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING IN LIFE ABOUT HOW EVIDENCE MUST BE VALIDATED BY FACTS? OF COURSE YOU HAVE, BUT YOU PRETEND TO BE POLLYANNA ANYWAY, JUST TO DECEIVE THOSE WHO ARE AS GULLIBLE AS YOU PRETEND TO BE.

    WELL, IT’S ABOUT TIME TO CEASE INDULGING YOUR LYING PRETENSE OF INNOCENCE AND NAIVETE. I FORESEE I’LL BE DELETING YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED CRAP FROM NOW ON.]

    ALL these things are EVIDENCE.

    You have NOTHING at all that shows that Obama was born in Vancouver. NOTHING.

    IT’S NOT ABOUT “SHOWING”, IT’S ABOUT PROVING! AND THERE IS NO PROOF SUPPORTING ANYTHING ABOUT OBAMA.
    NO EXPERT HAS EVER BEEN ALLOWED NEAR HIS COUNTERFEIT “DOCUMENTS”, HECK, EVEN OBAMA HIMSELF, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY BOB BAER, WAS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH THE COUNTERFEITS.

    HE CAN CLAIM THAT HE NEVER ORDERED THEM TO BE PRODUCED, NEVER RECEIVED THEM, NEVER HANDLED, THEM AND NEVER EVEN SAW THEM. HE IS PROTECTED BY AN IRON-CLAD WALL OF ATTORNEY-CLIENT, EXECUTIVE-PRIVILEGE CONFIDENTIALITY.
    HE CAN NEVER BE TOUCHED VIA HIS OWN COMPELLED TESTIMONY SINCE HE IS IMMUNE, SHIELDED, AND DELIBERATELY KEPT IN THE DARK.

    BUT BEING A PART OF THE CONSPIRACY RESULTED IN HIS AVOIDING EVEN MENTIONING A LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHEN HE ATTENDED A PRESS CONFERENCE FOR JUST THAT PURPOSE. GEE, WHAT AN ASTONISHING OVER-SIGHT! MY ASS!

  7. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “NO EXPERT HAS EVER BEEN ALLOWED NEAR HIS COUNTERFEIT “DOCUMENTS”,

    Answer: ACTUALLY, no birther site has even ASKED TO SEE the physical copies of Obama’s long form and short form birth certificates, so you cannot say that “no expert has ever been allowed near them since no “expert” has asked to see them.

    (I wonder why birther sites have not asked to see the physical documents. Could it be that if they did ask, and they were allowed to see the physical documents and took them to recognized experts such as the members of the the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners or the American Society of Questioned Document Experts or the Association of Forensic Document Examiners, that the birther movement would be punctured? That is a highly likely reason. In any case, NO birther site has even asked to see the physical copies, and that is significant.

    Their not asking left you with the impression that “no expert has ever been allowed near” Obama’s documents, but that is FALSE. IF the birther sites had asked to see the documents and had been refused, THEN you could say that—but that did not happen.

    reply: that is as fallacious a form of logic as a humble Illinois tax collector going to Al Capone and asking: “Mr. Capone, could I please see all of your accounts receivable for the past five years? Would that be possible? I’d just like to check them over to confirm that you are a legitimate business man. That wouldn’t be too much to ask, would it?”

    Who in their right mind is going to ask anything of Al Capone or Obama who is surrounded by lawyers and protected on all sides from all attempts to see his records.
    After he has released his college transcripts, his Columbia dissertation, his law school writings, his U.S. passport records, and his law practice and license facts, then someone might feel that they would not be talking to a brick wall when it comes to Obama and his well hidden records.

    Perhaps you might finally see them in 50 years, but maybe not. Many Kennedy records were sealed for 75 years. Gee, is that because there was nothing to hide also?

    Just go to the White House website and look at what Obama personally called his birth certificate (the short form) and after you’ve seen what a B&W photocopied total piece of crap it is, -with the certificate number still black-out, then you might begin to grasp just how well “managed” his birth fakes are.

    Why is there no scan of his short-form anywhere which shows the registration number? Do you just ascribe that fact to incompetence that has gone one for 6 years? Or to a deliberate choice by the lawyer in charge?

  8. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Why is there no scan of his short-form anywhere which shows the registration number? Do you just ascribe that fact to incompetence that has gone one for 6 years? Or to a deliberate choice by the lawyer in charge?”

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

    The registration number is clearly shown in the fifth photo from the top.

    The registration number is also shown in this scan: [THAT IS NOT A SCAN YOU FOOL. IT IS A BARACKULA PROMOTING WEBSITE. AND THANKS FOR SHOWING JUST HOW STUPID OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE BY REVEALING THAT YOU CAN’T COMPREHEND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SCAN AND A PHOTOGRAPH.

    THERE IS STILL NO SCAN ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE WHOLE WORLD OF OBAMBA’S FAKE SHORT-FORM. WHY????? HE CLAIMS IT IS REAL BUT WILL NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO SCAN IT, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH-RESOLUTION.

    THAT IS BECAUSE HE CAN’T BE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH IT SINCE IT IS FRAUDULENT. INSTEAD HE OFFERS THE WORLD’S WORST PHOTOCOPY IN BLACK & WHITE OF A LOW RESOLUTION, SMALL SIZE SCAN FROM SIX YEARS AGO. WHY? THOSE WHO ARE TOO DUMB TO ASK WILL NEVER GRASP HOW DELUDED THEY ARE.]

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=615&q=obama%27s+short+form+birth+certificate&oq=obama%27s+short+form+birth+certificate&gs_l=img.3…2073.8713.0.9337.36.11.0.12.2.0.599.1115.5-2.2.0….0…1ac.1.49.img..33.3.535.V1-18DXfYII#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=LCa179hJTmQO5M%253A%3BfYh-SX7Ru_bH5M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.barack-obama-photos.com%252Fbarack_obama_birth_certificate_hawaii_compare_with_this_example_of_hawaii_burth_certificate.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.barack-obama-photos.com%252FObama-Birth-Certificate-Photos.html%3B640%3B654

    BUT YOUR POINT MIGHT BE VALID ABOUT WHY NO ONE ASKS. THEY MIGHT ALL SUSPECT THAT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATES WERE PRODUCED USING HDOH MATERIALS, WHICH THEY APPARENTLY WERE, SO THEY MAY NOT BE IDENTIFIABLE AS COUNTERFEITS SINCE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEIR PHYSICAL NATURE MAY BE LEGIT.
    BUT THAT DOES NOT PROVE AT ALL THAT THEY ARE NOT FAKES PRODUCED BY AN HDOH INSIDER. THE BEST FAKE IS ONE THAT IS IDENTICAL TO THE REAL THING, LIKE DRIVER’S LICENSES PRODUCED USING INSIDER-STOLEN BLANK CARDS FROM THE STATE DMV. THEY ARE LEGIT PHYSICALLY, BUT FRAUDULENT CONTENT-WISE.

    SAME WITH THE BCs. THEY MAY NOT BE IMITATION HAWAIIAN BCs BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM GENUINE TRUE COPIES OF ANYTHING. THE SHORT-FORM IS PURELY AN ABSTRACT EXTRACTION OF TRUE PARENTAL INFORMATION AND FALSE BIRTH LOCATION INFORMATION, WHILE THE LONG-FORM IS A FRAUDULENT COMPUTER-FABRICATED IMITATION OF A REAL HOSPITAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, PRODUCED WITH THE AID OF DOH MATERIALS AND RECORDS.

    IT DOESN’T MATTER IS IT WAS MADE OUTSIDE OF THE HDOH OR INSIDE. IT IS A FABRICATION CONCOCTED FROM THE MICROFILM IMAGERY OF SAD’s LATE-BIRTH APPLICATION AFFIDAVIT WHICH IS “MAINTAINED ON RECORD” IN THE DIGITAL DATA-BASE ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT THAT AFFIDAVIT WAS INSUFFICIENT PROOF OF HOME-BIRTH AND A BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS THEREFORE NEVER ISSUED.

    UNTIL WE SEE A TRUE COPY OF WHAT IS IN THEIR ARCHIVE, SOMETHING “HALF HAND-WRITTEN”, NOTHING CAN BE BELIEVED AS TO WHERE HE WAS BORN, AND THE INESCAPABLE SUSPICION THAT HE MUST HAVE BEEN BORN OUTSIDE OF THE ANY AMERICAN STATE REMAINS, WITH VANCOUVER AS THE ONLY CONCEIVABLE LOCATION FOR HIS BIRTH.

  9. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “That is as fallacious a form of logic as a humble Illinois tax collector going to Al Capone and asking: “Mr. Capone, could I please see all of your accounts receivable for the past five years? Would that be possible? I’d just like to check them over to confirm that you are a legitimate business man. That wouldn’t be too much to ask, would it?”

    To be sure, you could ask Big Al for his records, and to be sure he would be likely to refuse. BUT in this case if Obama refused, YOU COULD SAY THAT HE REFUSED. That refusal would be proof that he did not want to show it—at least to you.

    But, not to ask for it REFUTES your claim that “not expert has been allowed anywhere near it.”

    And the fact is that birther sites did not even ask for it. They did not even ASK. (I wonder why not???)

    BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE. NO RESPONSE. IT WOULD BE LIKE NIXON SAYING, “SURE, YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE TAPES, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.” NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, SO WHAT FOOL WOULD BE FOOLISH ENOUGH TO PLAY THE FOOL THAT ASKS SUCH A FOOLISH QUESTION? NO ONE IS THAT DUMB.

  10. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE. NO RESPONSE. IT WOULD BE LIKE NIXON SAYING, “SURE, YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE TAPES, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.” NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, SO WHAT FOOL WOULD BE FOOLISH ENOUGH TO PLAY THE FOOL THAT ASKS SUCH A FOOLISH QUESTION? NO ONE IS THAT DUMB.”

    Talk about DUMB. You have claimed that document experts were not allowed near the paper copies of Obama’s birth certificate when the birther sites did not even ask to see them. To be sure, Obama MIGHT turn down the request, but the fact remains that unless you ASK TO SEE the physical copies, you cannot say that they refused to show them to you.

    And birthers did not even ASK. IF they had asked, and if they were turned down, THEN they could say that they had been refused and were turned down, THEN they could say that they were refused and that experts were not allowed to see the physical copies. But they did not even ASK.

  11. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “SCAN FROM SIX YEARS AGO.”

    Because since then he has published the long form. (Which you will claim is forged, but it isn’t, and which the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed IN WRITING, and the signature of Onaka is visible on his statements).

    IF YOU MAKE ONE MORE ASSERTION AS BRAIN-DEAD AS THE CLAIM THAT ONAKA’S HAND SIGNATURE APPEARS ON ANY DOCUMENT, I WILL DELETE ANY SUCH COMMENT. YOU COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY MADE YOURSELF LOOK MORE STUPID THAN TO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SIGNATURE AND A RUBBER STAMP FACSIMILE.

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